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which will not allow the taliban to return. the taliban, the country was hijacked by al qaeda. the government was completely ostracized. there was not a single government except pakistan. it was living in a time warp. therefore, it was possible for al qaeda to be the master of taliban leadership [indiscernible] i do not think that kind of situation is able to return. now that the world is focused on afghanistan. >> i would prepare to spend a few billion dollars to make sure. >> thank you. i work for voice of america. thanks for the discussion and insight. the first question is the presence of the u.s. troops. there is a possibility that came out yesterday, how will be perceived in pakistan and you're trying to reject the taliban government. where did you see them, on the mountains or on the streets of kabul? we do not see a better political setup in afghanistan from that side. where do you see them, then? thank you. >> the first question about how well pakistan -- will pakistan see the continued u.s. presence, there is one pakistan government and my anticipation is there will e
which will not allow the taliban to return. the taliban, the country was hijacked by al qaeda. the government was completely ostracized. there was not a single government except pakistan. it was living in a time warp. therefore, it was possible for al qaeda to be the master of taliban leadership [indiscernible] i do not think that kind of situation is able to return. now that the world is focused on afghanistan. >> i would prepare to spend a few billion dollars to make sure. >>...
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it is the taliban included or not? i do not want to run over my time, but i can discuss this if there is more interest. >> i think we have a comprehensive picture. you mentioned for transitions. what would be the most helpful thing, in your perspective, for all or any of the particular transitions that outsiders could entertain? >> the most important role the international community generally could play is an economic transition. that makes the political transition possible, and the security transition sustainable. for this, what is needed is working more closely to reintegrate the afghanistan into the regional economy. this includes enhancing and building more power grids. pakistan needs power. it needs access to energy. afghanistan needs power. if you create interdependency between these countries, especially countries that are not on friendly terms with each other, which will enhance the chances of stability to allot more more expensive projects could be pipelines and others, but at least the national grid, railroad
it is the taliban included or not? i do not want to run over my time, but i can discuss this if there is more interest. >> i think we have a comprehensive picture. you mentioned for transitions. what would be the most helpful thing, in your perspective, for all or any of the particular transitions that outsiders could entertain? >> the most important role the international community generally could play is an economic transition. that makes the political transition possible, and the...
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after 911 the taliban had a high desertion rate and they were trying to get recruit groups to fight against intervention and coalition and they went in literally
after 911 the taliban had a high desertion rate and they were trying to get recruit groups to fight against intervention and coalition and they went in literally
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we agreed on allowing the taliban have an office, where the taliban will engage in direct talks with the representatives of the afghan high council for peace, where we will be seeking that help of relevant reasonable countries, including pakistan, where we will try our best together with the other allies to return peace and stability to afghanistan as soon as possible and employee in all the means that are within our power to do that, so that the afghan people can live in security, peace, and worked for the prosperity and education of their children. the president and i also discussed the economic transition of afghanistan and all that entails for afghanistan. once the transition to afghan forces is completed, once the bulk of the international forces are withdrawn from afghanistan, we hope the dividends of that transition will be beneficial to the afghan people and will not have adverse effects on afghan economy and the prosperity that we have obtained. we also discussed the issue of the election in afghanistan and the importance of election for the afghan people, with the hope that
we agreed on allowing the taliban have an office, where the taliban will engage in direct talks with the representatives of the afghan high council for peace, where we will be seeking that help of relevant reasonable countries, including pakistan, where we will try our best together with the other allies to return peace and stability to afghanistan as soon as possible and employee in all the means that are within our power to do that, so that the afghan people can live in security, peace, and...
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the taliban are in a lot of places in the countryside. so, again, it's going to be how well can the afghan army do when we're not around in any great numbers. and, again, when everything looks good on paper, it always does. it's just, you know earlier -- last year i went to a number of the places where the americans and afghans were fighting together, and, you know when you're in kabul and when you're in washington everything sounds great. but when you get out there in the field, it doesn't always look as good. >> all right. dexter filkins, thank you. >>> disgraced cyclist lance armstrong is expected to confess to doping earlier in his career. he'll make a confession during a taped interview with oprah winfrey that will air on thursday. he was stripped of his seven tour de france titles and banned for life from the sport for using performance-enhancing drugs. >>> a father whose daughter was massacred at the aurora theatre last summer lashed out. steve hernandez shouted rot in hell to james holmes during a court hearing on friday. holmes a
the taliban are in a lot of places in the countryside. so, again, it's going to be how well can the afghan army do when we're not around in any great numbers. and, again, when everything looks good on paper, it always does. it's just, you know earlier -- last year i went to a number of the places where the americans and afghans were fighting together, and, you know when you're in kabul and when you're in washington everything sounds great. but when you get out there in the field, it doesn't...
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would start to leave a vacuum and a vulnerability to the afghan government that would be filled by taliban for sure and could result in an afghanistan that we found before the turn of this century. >> so you would recommend against it. >> if i were still in office, yes, i would. i think there's potential there in afghanistan to make the place a lot more secure with afghan forces, but it's going to take more time than we have currently. >> why do you think the white house may see it differently? >> i think part of it is there's always tension between getting afghans to take responsibility for their own actions and making sure they're doing all they can and not overly relying on u.s. and allied forces. so i think part of what we're seeing is playing out probably in the media here is to put some pressure on the karzai government to be realistic about their expectations and make sure that the afghans are doing all they can to ensure their own security. >> what might come out of a karzai visit? >> well, i would hope one of the things that would come out of it is some sort of agreement on what s
would start to leave a vacuum and a vulnerability to the afghan government that would be filled by taliban for sure and could result in an afghanistan that we found before the turn of this century. >> so you would recommend against it. >> if i were still in office, yes, i would. i think there's potential there in afghanistan to make the place a lot more secure with afghan forces, but it's going to take more time than we have currently. >> why do you think the white house may...
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will his military remain faithful to him in the light of pashtoon taliban coming in. his military is phaeupd of different tribes. will they stay loyal and be effective? i think the problem everybody for sees and you can see it coming, that when we leave afghanistan a lot of things will happen. our military leaves. our ability to protect the civilian population that we are leaving behind, including our own civilian ngo aid workers, and then the final thing is will they be able to hold that country together? i think that is a huge question. bill: leon panetta who is exiting the administration said 9,000 troops should be left behind, and we'll see whether or not that is the case. your point is well-taken. put pressure on karzai to get his police and army together. but if you can't do it in time you're leaving a mess behind. >> you are leaving a huge mess. remember we have thousands of civilian workers there, hop workers, school teachers, who is going to protect them if we leave. bill: thank you kt. big meeting at the end of this week at the white house. martha what is ne
will his military remain faithful to him in the light of pashtoon taliban coming in. his military is phaeupd of different tribes. will they stay loyal and be effective? i think the problem everybody for sees and you can see it coming, that when we leave afghanistan a lot of things will happen. our military leaves. our ability to protect the civilian population that we are leaving behind, including our own civilian ngo aid workers, and then the final thing is will they be able to hold that...
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indefinite detention for a group of people that's very, very broad in the current war against al qaeda and taliban and associated forces so that not only -- >> associated doing a lot of work there? >> it is. and the other thing that's doing a lot of work is substantially supported. anybody who substantially supported these forces is subject to indefinite detention which is not something that you would get if you went back and read the authorization for use and military force from 2001, which describes a narrower set of people, frankly. >> so we've actually expanded? >> legislatively, yes. in some ways, this bill was basically codifying what the lower courts have been doing. >> have allowed. >> have alouds. >> the supreme court hadn't weighed in on whether this is okay. will it? i don't know. >> let me ask you this, ben, the naacp is not an institution that's focused on national security issues, for understandable reasons but i wonder sometimes and i'm not someone that welcome i don't myself, that's not the thing i spend most of my time reading about but i wonder if when you think about this stuff,
indefinite detention for a group of people that's very, very broad in the current war against al qaeda and taliban and associated forces so that not only -- >> associated doing a lot of work there? >> it is. and the other thing that's doing a lot of work is substantially supported. anybody who substantially supported these forces is subject to indefinite detention which is not something that you would get if you went back and read the authorization for use and military force from...
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i think this is a guaranty for a taliban takeover, resurgence of al qaeda, the sacrifice of everything our troops have won for us over there and as i say, i think this is a question of getting some good negotiators. we could have resolved that program in iraq if we had the will and tenacity to do so. we can do it here in afghanistan as as well. i think it is less a question of what hamid karzai wants but more a question of what barack obama wants or doesn't want. jenna: that is a big question. we heard from general allen reports that he had suggested to the pentagon upwards of wanting 20,000 troops to remain in the country after the end of 2014. what do you think about the fact that this debate, this negotiation, this floating of the idea of the zero option, is happening very much in the public sphere? that we're talking about it now, that it is out in the open rather than behind closed doors, how does that impact things? >> i think this is what the president wants. i don't think he wants to be in afghanistan. forget after 2014. i think he would like to withdraw this year. and i think
i think this is a guaranty for a taliban takeover, resurgence of al qaeda, the sacrifice of everything our troops have won for us over there and as i say, i think this is a question of getting some good negotiators. we could have resolved that program in iraq if we had the will and tenacity to do so. we can do it here in afghanistan as as well. i think it is less a question of what hamid karzai wants but more a question of what barack obama wants or doesn't want. jenna: that is a big question....
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forces, that the afghan forces will not hang on to, sell it to, or have it capturedded from them by the taliban, and is it being a risk that what mite up in the hands of the haqqani network or potentially al al-qaa related groups? >> well, the defense secretary gave some information to the house in november about plans on this. he said the intense is to extract all equipment whose value to the arms forces is an extraction and recooperation. reallily, that is, you would expect that to include or have sophisticated equipment, but if we hope we do the southern route, pakistan, but we are negotiating northern rotes in kazakhstan and russia, but we can also bring equipment out by air, and as things stand now r there are no firm plans to leave equipment behind. there is no decisions to leave behind equipment x in afghanistan. if we do that, all relevant issues have to be looked at, but i think we should. if left to the afghan courses, we regard it in the same way. >> will export lines have to be issued for goods that are gifted, and will there be a need of approval for any such equipment? >> there's
forces, that the afghan forces will not hang on to, sell it to, or have it capturedded from them by the taliban, and is it being a risk that what mite up in the hands of the haqqani network or potentially al al-qaa related groups? >> well, the defense secretary gave some information to the house in november about plans on this. he said the intense is to extract all equipment whose value to the arms forces is an extraction and recooperation. reallily, that is, you would expect that to...